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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm really surprised by ENOCH's position. NJ is a "green state," one which HSLDA considers to be in the uber-easy category. Many people work through fear (there's a similar situation in NC), and I think they're plain wrong. Even HSLDA, the ultimate legal resource IMHO, doesn't take such a radical position as not withdrawing a child in the middle of the school year.


I too was surprised and think it's wrong as well. I believe it adds to the confusion with those of us trying to figure out when to start HS.

Speaking of HSLDA, I looked at the application yesterday, and I admit there is a part that is intimidating me just a bit. The part where you list your childs teachers and how much time they will be devoting to teaching the child. Of course I have selected myself, and I'd like to add my husband, but due to his long hours, I just don't think I should add his name. When you signed up, did you list just yourself as being the only teacher as well? What if later on, his hours change. Would I have to call them and have him added on the application as one of her teachers? Any thoughts on how to handle that part of the application is greatly appreciated. Smile

I also found out that membership there is not instant. There is a 2-4 week window for processing it, and depending on when you submit it (summer & fall), it could take longer. However, for those who (like me) would like to have it processed quicker, they offer that option for an additional 35.00 dollars.

Oh, and before I forget. I did ask about that letter, but they could not really give me an answer. I have to be a member first, then they will direct me to their legal team for some legal advice on that.

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It's JMHO, but I say go for it (as long as you've thought carefully about what you're doing, which you have).


I'm going to "go for it," real soon. In fact, I spoke with my dd primary care physician about all of this yesterday. He's all for it, and has no problem with my decision to HS our daughter. It felt really good to know that he supports us in her education as well as her health. And, to have the support that I have and need here, makes me feel like I won the lottery or something. You've been so helpful and positive. Thank you!!! Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Speaking of HSLDA, I looked at the application yesterday, and I admit there is a part that is intimidating me just a bit. The part where you list your childs teachers and how much time they will be devoting to teaching the child. Of course I have selected myself, and I'd like to add my husband, but due to his long hours, I just don't think I should add his name. When you signed up, did you list just yourself as being the only teacher as well? What if later on, his hours change. Would I have to call them and have him added on the application as one of her teachers? Any thoughts on how to handle that part of the application is greatly appreciated. Smile

Aw, don't be intimidated. What they're looking for is the fact that you have a plan, as opposed to, "Well, what the heck, we were just gonna do school stuff but I haven't a clue as to what." Laughing If you have a plan, you're defensable in case you're contacted by school officials, KWIM?

Yes, I just listed myself as the only teacher. If you list your dh, it won't matter if his hours change. No biggie.

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I also found out that membership there is not instant. There is a 2-4 week window for processing it, and depending on when you submit it (summer & fall), it could take longer. However, for those who (like me) would like to have it processed quicker, they offer that option for an additional 35.00 dollars.

Well, I know that when people over-night their applications, those applications seem to go through pretty darn quick, although it might be worth $35 to know for sure that your membership will be processed sooner.

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Oh, and before I forget. I did ask about that letter, but they could not really give me an answer. I have to be a member first, then they will direct me to their legal team for some legal advice on that.

And that's to be expected.

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I'm going to "go for it," real soon. In fact, I spoke with my dd primary care physician about all of this yesterday. He's all for it, and has no problem with my decision to HS our daughter. It felt really good to know that he supports us in her education as well as her health. And, to have the support that I have and need here, makes me feel like I won the lottery or something. You've been so helpful and positive. Thank you!!! Smile


You're welcome.

And woohoo!!! (Wish there was a "party" smilie on this board, lol) Stay in touch, because I'd love to hear how things turn out. I'm glad I could help. And my radar is going to be up, now, about ENOCH. Hmph.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Aw, don't be intimidated. What they're looking for is the fact that you have a plan, as opposed to, "Well, what the heck, we were just gonna do school stuff but I haven't a clue as to what." If you have a plan, you're defensable in case you're contacted by school officials, KWIM?

Yes, I just listed myself as the only teacher. If you list your dh, it won't matter if his hours change. No biggie.


Thank you. I needed that encouragement! I know exactly what you mean. Smile

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Well, I know that when people over-night their applications, those applications seem to go through pretty darn quick, although it might be worth $35 to know for sure that your membership will be processed sooner.


I believe it is. I selected that option and completed the application process today. Smile

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You're welcome.

And woohoo!!! (Wish there was a "party" smilie on this board, lol) Stay in touch, because I'd love to hear how things turn out. I'm glad I could help. And my radar is going to be up, now, about ENOCH. Hmph.


I wish there was too! lol I'll stay in touch, I promise. Wink Talk with you soon!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okie dokie. Looking forward to hearing more of your story. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi elliemaejune!

I received an unexpected call from the principal of our daughters school today. As you know our girl has been sick. She has been and continues to be under her doctors care with excused legal abscenses from school, still. This has been on and off since November.

Anyway, this Assistant Principal goes on to tell me, that even though my daughter is legally excused from school that "they" are going to fail her and make her repeat sixth grade. It didn't matter to them that my dd was turning in all of her assigned work. The fact is, the principal went on, that she (our dd) has been out almost half of the year and the third quarter began today. She wanted to know what we were going to do about it.

I told her that our daughter was still in treatment, and that she is still under her doctors care. That her doctor felt it necessary to keep her home because she's had bad reactions to these medications. This principal didn't like that, especially knowing that our doctors don't know at this time when she would be back. After all, she had been put on a new med just two days ago. They needed additional time to see if the medication would agree with our child or not. (Keep in mind, that the doctors notes are always updated and handed in, in a timely manner.)

This woman just seemed so cold and heartless to my childs problem. Nothing mattered. She was also agitated I'm sure, about our refusal (again) to her request of us signing papers for her teachers to come and tutor our child in our home. I tried explaining that it was not needed. We have our own tutors/teachers. Which, I explained to her months ago at a meeting that the school requested for me to attend. (Btw, they told me that this meeting was to be about my dd education, it was not supposed to be about me giving them specific information about my daughters health.) When they did that in December, just before Christmas break, that was the first time I declined on the tutor they were wanting to provide. Well, providing I signed a paper allowing them to do so.

So, to answer her original question of "What were we going to do about it?" I told her I was going to withdraw her from that school immediately. And, that I wanted to know who I had to contact to ensure that I did it correctly to prevent problems. She immediately asked, "Are you going to homeschool her?" I of course said yes, and then this AP tells me she has no idea how to withdraw a student for that; that she would have to get back to me.

I bit my tongue, and nicely asked her to get back to me asap because we had to be at our dd specialist soon for yet, another appointment. She at least agreed to call me back in a timely fashion and I ended the call politely at that time.

The minute I got off the phone, I made two calls. The first one to HSLDA to check on the status of my application. I was approved and they did put me through to our areas rep for help. Unfortunately though, I had to leave a message breifly explaining that I would be legally withdrawing our child from school that day and to call back if it was at all possible. (He must have been busy, I didn't receive a call back.) I then proceeded to call my husband, who was livid with the news, but agreed with me that we should just legally pull our dd out.

I drafted this quick letter (see below), while being on the phone with my dd doctor, who was also kind enough to have his secretary fax over yet another doctors note. They listed the days she had been under his care, along with no date of returning to school, but rather an explaination in that field that it was "undetermined" at this time because she was still being treated.

The minute I completed this, that AP called me back and told me this was ok to bring in.


our name
address
city,state, zip

Principals name
Name of school
adddress
city, state, zip

January 28, 2010


Dear Mr. Principal,

Please be advised, effective immediately, that we are withdrawing (name of child) from your school. We have elected to educate our 6th grade daughter, (childs name) at home.

Sincerely,

Parents Sig

Parents typed name

I printed this out, gathered all of our dd ps books and materials and headed over to the school. When I arrived, I asked for the principal, but he was unavailable. So, they fetched the Assistant Principal, (the same one who called me.) I handed the letter to her, asked her to make a copy for my records. And, while I was at it, that I wanted my dd records, originals if possible. This Assistant told me she could get me copies and would call me. I told her politely that copies would be fine, but a call was not necessary; that she could mail them to me. I then asked if it was possible for someone to bring me to my dd locker. I wanted to her personal belongings if any.

This woman took the longest route possible to my dd locker. She remained quiet most of the time, with the exception of commenting about the weather. Soon after, we arrived at my dd locker, which she could not get opened. I asked if I could try it, and had it open within a minute of landing on the third number. I proceeded to clean it out and was putting my dd belongings into a bag when this Assistant asks if their nurse could have my permission to call my dd pediatrician to confirm that my dd is ill. I politely told her no. That it was unnecessary because I had informed my dd doctor immediately this morning to make sure he sent the schools nurse all the information they needed.

As we headed back to the main exit of the school, I could tell she was mad, but wanting to still continue to ask, in a different way mind you, that their nurse needed to call our childs pediatrician. I assured her, before exiting the building, that I have known this pediatrician for 14 years, and that although mistakes happen, that it was very unlikely that her nurse didn't receive the information she was wanting, period. I then left for home.

Upon arriving home, I called our dd pediatrician, he did indeed fax that info just as I thought he did. They had what they needed for their school nurse, but wanted to fish for more information than what they are entitled to. I am so happy and releived that our daughter is free of this ps and will never go back!

In the meantime, we are home resting now, and will keep an eye out for anything they try to bring my way... I'm ready for them. We are officially hs now, and will continue to be from here on out. Yay!

Sorry for the long winded post, but wanted you to know what happened. I'll be here more often now, ellimaejune. I'll just have to start posting in other area's of this wonderful forum. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow--what an adventure!! And I'm proud of you: you did everything right. ::pounds NJmom on the back::

[deleted, 'cuz I don't know why on earth I posted a whole long thing on NY law. Shocked ]

Although NJ is such a "green" state, you just can't depend on school officials actually knowing that, lol. So many public school officials/employees are hostile to hsing. Crying or Very sad

But you've been doing all the right things, and it sounds as if your doctor is a pretty sharp cookie, too.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wow--what an adventure!!


It was, for sure. That was just part one! lol The following morning, I received a call from my dd's pediatrician. The schools nurse called them anyway... to again verify what they already had. When I called HSLDA about it, they said the school wasn't breaking any laws. I have a feeling that this is not over just yet.




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And I'm proud of you: you did everything right. ::pounds NJmom on the back::


Awe. Thank you!! I really needed that! (hug) I've been really upset about the stance the ps has decided to take on this. Even my dd doctor got the feeling that the call their nurse made to his office, along with the questions she had, indicated that the school really feels that we have been lying about our dd diagnosis as well as the amount of legal absences that our dd doctor wrote. He assured them that that was not the case and only verified what was absolutely necessary. Sad
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