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Best Presidential Candidate For Homeschoolers?
Ron Paul
48%
 48%  [ 12 ]
Mike Huckabee
36%
 36%  [ 9 ]
Fred Thompson
8%
 8%  [ 2 ]
Rudy Giuliani
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
John McCain
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
Mitt Romney
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
Total Votes : 25

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mr. Speaker, while I oppose federal efforts to redefine marriage as something other than a union between one man and one woman, I do not believe a constitutional amendment is either a necessary or proper way to defend marriage.

While marriage is licensed and otherwise regulated by the states, government did not create the institution of marriage. In fact, the institution of marriage most likely pre-dates the institution of government!

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul207.html

sometimes Ron Paul does not vote for something because it is not a federal responsibility. That creates some of the appearance of something not right. when he really is voting for the Constitution.

http://www.ronpaulnation.com/tv.html

http://www.secessionist.us/blog/2007/10/ron-pauls-position.html
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took that into account, which is why my list is not a lot longer. Many or most issues should be left up to the states, such as abortion and whether gay marriage should be allowed. However, the definition of marriage itself is a different story. Obviously, there were no gay marriages back in the days of the Founding Fathers, and everyone understood what marriage meant, but today's world is a bit different. Marriage between one man and one woman (hopefully permanent...) is the foundation of a good community, and there are plenty of statistics showing that no other arrangement is even a fraction as effective at raising kids (even a permanent live-in boyfriend doesn't have the same effect as a husband), so even aside from the moral questions, that is the only type of marriage that should be officially defined as marriage. If states want to set up a whole new category and call it gay marriage, that's fine, but it should be understood that it's totally separate from the main marriage category. Gay marriages would only apply inside states that support them, they wouldn't carry over to other states.

At least that's my view on the matter. The Constitution does not specifically outlaw gay marriage, and you shouldn't try to make it illlegal on the federal level (just like abortion shouldn't be legal on the federal level), but you can make an official definition of marriage and have gay marriage apply only in states that voted it in. This prevents confusion over what to do when a gay "married" couple is traveling through an area that has democratically voted gay sex illegal.

Women should also not be able to sue sperm donors for child support. I've heard of this happening, and it's totally ridiculous. Lesbian couple decides to have a baby, but neither wants to pay for it, so one sues the sperm donor for child support. That loophole needs closing.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you should have a different post for women in the military . I am a woman and I could not ever be a soldier but have GREAT respect for those who do but if you want to fight like a man be prepared to be on the front lines and die like a man.



What do you think about Mike Huckabee?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I split off the women in the military discussion so it doesn't take over this thread.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You asked how ron paul is doing compared to the other candidates.

He is doing well in the straw poles.
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"Of 41 recent straw polls across the U.S., Ron Paul has won 21, with numerous second and third place finishes."
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/press-releases/46/ron-paul-wins-republican-party-straw-poll-in-fresno


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Ron Paul's Head-to-Head Records (Win-Lose-Tie): straw poles.
Ron Paul v. Rudy Giuliani 35-7-0
Ron Paul v. Mitt Romney 27-15-0
Ron Paul v. Fred Thompson 26-15-0
Ron Paul v. John McCain 36-5-0
Ron Paul v. Mike Huckabee 34-6-1
Ron Paul v. Tom Tancredo 39-1-0
Ron Paul v. Duncan Hunter 38-2-0
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/straw-poll-results/


He still is at 5-6% in the National poles but is up 3-4% from last month. http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_paul_2008/2007/11/ron-paul-pollin.html

I will leave it up to you to check the validity of the claims on RonPaul2008.com I would think that they would get in big trouble it they were not accurate.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. Well, he's certainly in my top three, maybe top two, it's going to take more thought to narrow that down to one. I do note that the win / loss record for the largest polls doesn't look so good. Here's a somewhat more compressed list:

1 New York State Republican Straw Poll, New York City, NY
4 Washington State Republican Party Fall Dinner Straw Poll
1 Oregon Straw Poll- Portland, Oregon
6 South Dakota Straw Poll
1 Maryland Straw Poll
3 Texas Straw Poll
3 HRCC (Minnesota)
1 West Alabama
3 Illinois Republican Party @ Illinois State Fair
6 Western Montana Fair
3 National Federation of Republican Assemblies (NFRA), St. Louis, MO
4 California Republican Assembly
2 Utah GOP convention

Of those, Texas is probably the most important, since it's the largest Republican state. Given, the turnout wasn't terribly high (only a bit over 1000 votes total), and the candidates who beat him there were Duncan Hunter and Fred Thompson. Ron Paul ought to be able to easily beat both of those overall.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, we conservative Christians think that it is the right thing to force people to accept our rotten so called "Democracy." Yeah, we tell them they need a constitution but we treat ours as "Just a --- ---- peace of paper," to quote President Bush. The truth is USA went there for oil while we thought we were defending our country. There are plenty of other countries that actually have nuclear weapons but we did not go after them. Can you actually spread the message of freedom with the barrel of a gun? Think back on history, England tried to spread Royalty all over the world or were they just in it for the money? Whatever the reason, they failed.

We as "Christians" have rejected the just war theory and said it is alright to attack preemptively. We are perfectly willing to use nuclear weapons on a small state much like Poland falsely accusing them of having the very weapons we are using against them. Think America think. There crime is not that they have weapons of mas destruction is it? Thus we are condemned and they are innocent they had no weapons.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:08 pm    Post subject: Huckabee is the BEST for us! Reply with quote

While I applaud Ron Paul for his support of Homeschooling, we have a better choice for President.

His name is Mike Huckabee.

As governor of Arkansas, Mike Huckabee appointed a homeschooling mom to the State Board of Education.

Here's a GREAT video about Mike Huckabee and Home Education: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-q0h1cb6xE

Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA) has endorsed Gov. Huckabee.

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Dear HSLDA members:

HSLDA's PAC Committee has taken the historic step of making an early
endorsement in the 2008 race for president.

We believe that Mike Huckabee, Governor of Arkansas, should be elected
the next President of the United States. Mike is a principled conservative, a friend of homeschooling, a man of character, and a man with a mature faith in Jesus Christ.

Mike Huckabee, as governor, was the first to appoint a homeschooler to the Arkansas State Board of Education, and to our knowledge the first to do so in any state. He is adamantly opposed to the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child and is committed to stopping the erosion of parental rights. He is pro-life. He supports traditional marriage. He believes that the Internal Revenue Service should be abolished and replaced with the Fair Tax--a move that we strongly
support because it would greatly benefit homeschooling families. He believes and is willing to say that Islamic extremism needs to be understood as a theologically driven threat. He believes that America must be strong, but should never be perceived as a bully. He believes that our borders must be secured not only from illegal immigration but from the growing trend among American judges of "illegally importing" international law into our American judicial systems.

There are a few other candidates in the race who are properly described as principled conservatives. None of the media's "frontrunners" would qualify for this designation. But we believe that Mike Huckabee is by far the best communicator in the race--he is able to articulate his conservative principles in an incredibly winsome and articulate manner. Moreover, among the principled conservatives,
Huckabee is the only one who has been a governor. And we have not elected members of either the Senate or the House--and certainly not a mayor--as President of the United States in nearly a half century.

We believe that Mike Huckabee may be the only candidate in the race who could defeat Hillary Clinton in 2008.

Because of her past support for the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, we believe that it is absolutely essential to find a candidate who can beat her. If she is elected president, both homeschooling and parental rights would be in serious jeopardy.

To date, based on early polls, we are told that Rudy Giuliani is the front-runner for the GOP nomination. It is our judgment that Giuliani cannot possibly beat Hillary Clinton. Since 1976, no person running for president as a moderate Republican has ever won the election. (Not everyone running as a conservative proved to be a true conservative, but we are analyzing elections.) Ford and Dole--both moderates-- lost in 1976 and 1996. Reagan, a clear conservative, won landslides in 1980 and 1984. George H.W. Bush portrayed himself as a Reagan man in 1988 and won. But as president he violated his famous "read my lips-- no new taxes" pledge, and was defeated in 1992 when it had become clear to America that he was a moderate. George W. Bush ran as a conservative and was elected in 2000 and 2004.

Moderate Republicans simply cannot win the presidency. If the nation wants a Democrat, they choose the real thing. This is particularly true on the abortion issue. Giuliani supports Roe vs. Wade and will never win the support of the crucial block of social conservatives. Hillary Clinton will be elected president if Giuliani is the candidate. We think this is true of any of the other front-runners--none of whom comes close to being labeled a truly principled conservative. Do not believe the early polls. History is a far better means of analysis. No moderate Republican can be elected president.

We have taken this historic step of an early endorsement because the process of electing our president is based on a radically different timetable in this election. The vast majority of the primaries will be earlier than ever before. If we do not act now, all conservatives will be driven from the race by lack of funding and we will be left with only unacceptable choices.

Thus, we urge our members to do four things:


1. Support Mike Huckabee in your state's presidential primary (or other nomination process).

2. Please pray for him on a regular basis.

3. Please consider volunteering for his campaign. You can view his website at http://www.mikehuckabee.com/.

4. Please make a donation TODAY to his campaign at https://www.mikehuckabee.com/index.cfm?FuseAction=Contribute.Home.

Do not think that your gift is insignificant because you cannot give thousands of dollars. A campaign like Huckabee's will only work when thousands of friends network together giving, $25, $50, $100, or even just $10 each. Frankly, a campaign that receives $25 from 10,000 people is far stronger than a campaign that receives $10,000 from 25 people.

Grassroots conservatives often complain about the big-dollar types who try to control the process. The only solution is for a whole bunch of small-dollar people to stand together and give together. And the left has learned to drive millions of people to websites and to fund large campaigns based on grassroots supporters who contact their friends and urge them to get involved.

It is far safer for an organization like ours to sit silently on the sidelines for a long time. But, it is our judgment that we must get behind a conservative candidate who will provide a viable option to Hillary. Moreover, many of us have waited a long time for a presidential candidate who is a truly qualified and articulate man who
shares our values down to his core. Mike Huckabee entered politics for the same reason that most of us began homeschooling. He wants a future that is grounded upon timeless values.

We think that the time is now. Please support Mike Huckabee.

Sincerely,

J. Michael Smith
HSLDA President

Michael P. Farris
HSLDA Chairman & General Counsel

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure he is a good guy to give your money to?

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More important, Huckabee revealed an enduring weakness as glaring as that other Arkansas governor's fondness for women. Huckabee seems to love loot and has a dismissive attitude toward ethics, campaign finance rules and propriety in general. Since that first, failed campaign, the ethical questions have multiplied.

In the 1992 contest with Bumpers, Huckabee used campaign funds to pay himself as his own media consultant. Other payments went to the family babysitter.

In his successful 1994 run for lieutenant governor, he set up a nonprofit curtain known as Action America so he could give speeches for money without having to disclose the names of his benefactors. He failed to report that campaign travel payments were for the use of his own personal plane.

After he became governor in 1996, he raked in tens of thousands of dollars in gifts, including gifts from people he later appointed to prestigious state commissions.

In the governor's office, his grasp never exceeded his reach. Furniture he'd received to doll up his office was carted out with him when he left, after he'd crushed computer hard drives so nobody could ever get a peek behind the curtain of the Huckabee administration.

Until my paper, the Arkansas Times, blew the whistle, he converted a governor's mansion operating account into a personal expense account, claiming public money for a doghouse, dry-cleaning bills, panty hose and meals at Taco Bell. He tried to claim $70,000 in furnishings provided by a wealthy cotton grower for the private part of the residence as his own, until he learned ethics rules prevented it. When a disgruntled former employee disclosed memos revealing all this, the Huckabee camp shut her up by repeatedly suggesting she might be vulnerable to prosecution for theft because she'd shared documents generated by the state's highest official.

He ran the State Police airplane into the ground, many of the miles in pursuit of political ends. Inauguration funds were used to buy clothing for his wife. He once took control of the state Republican Party's campaign account -- then swore the account had been somebody else's responsibility when it ran afoul of federal election laws. He repeated the pattern when he claimed in a newspaper story that his staff controlled the account to stage his second inauguration. When I filed a formal ethics complaint over what appeared to be an improper appropriation of donated money, he told a different story, disavowing responsibility for the money. He thus avoided another punishment from an Ethics Commission, which had sanctioned him on five other occasions. He dodged nine other complaints (though none, despite his counter-complaints, was held to be frivolous). In one case, he was saved by the swing vote of a woman who left the chairmanship of the Ethics Commission days later to take a state job. She listed the governor as a reference on the job application. Finally, unbelievably, Huckabee once sued to overturn the ban on gifts to him.

My newspaper chronicled all this and so much more. Since my paper wrote critically about him, I didn't often experience the "nice" Mike Huckabee that so many national commentators have enjoyed. In fact, ultimately Huckabee ended press services, which are publicly financed, to my newspaper. The Arkansas Times received no news releases from the governor's office, no notices of news conferences, no responses to routine questions. He was condemned for this by journalism organizations.

Truth is, we were happy to be thrown into the governor's briar patch. The world is full of disaffected Huckabee campaign workers, former employees and garden-variety Republicans who love to pass on tips about a governor they'd found self-centered and untrustworthy. If you think he left a well of warm feelings in Arkansas, note that Hillary Clinton had raised more money in Arkansas at last report and that a recent University of Arkansas Poll showed her a 35 to 8 percent leader over Huckabee in the presidential preferences of Arkansas residents. Only one-third of 33 Republican legislators have said they will support him for president.

Thanks to such unhappy people, we've broken numerous stories about Huckabee, from the first early word of his destruction of state computer hard drives (more fully reported by the Democrat-Gazette); to the time and place of his announcement for president; to his sale and purchase of homes; to his infamous "wedding registry." About the last: Three decades after the Huckabees' wedding, his wife registered at department stores so their new home, post-governor's mansion, could be stocked with gifts of linens, toasters and other suitable furnishings. In early 2007, our reporting also prompted the former first lady to decline dozens of place settings of governor's mansion china and Irish crystal that had been purchased with tax-deductible contributions to the Governor's Mansion Association, nominally set up to improve the mansion, not to buy going-away presents for former occupants. (Huckabee's governorship ended on Jan. 9, 2007.)

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2007/11/13/huckabee/

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pLOC4krZI4 Hope you like taxes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pLOC4krZI4 and liars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO-flytX2HQ&feature=related
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wakeupcall wrote:
Are you sure he is a good guy to give your money to?


Absolutely! And I already have!

My response (actually from the Huckabee campaign) to that hit piece:

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The Arkansas Ethics Commission created under the rein of Bill Clinton, has been misused as a weapon against Republicans. Governor Huckabee has been unfairly attacked regarding his ethics history while Governor of Arkansas. The overwhelming majority of the complaints were filed in the midst of one of Governor Huckabee's campaigns, and filed by Democrats to a commission made up of a vast majority of Democrats. The end result of those complaints was a series of negative headlines-and NOTHING else. Here are the facts:

The overwhelming majority of ethics complaints filed against Governor Huckabee in the state of Arkansas were regularly dismissed and / or proven to be frivolous.

It is important to note that many of these complaints were either filed by a member of the Arkansas media with his own agenda or were filed by a Democrat activist using the so-called reporter's story as the basis for the complaint.

The REAL story is that in the end, despite the many attempts, the only finding of an illegal gift was reversed on appeal.


Salon.com isn't exactly the most truthful, accurate news site out there... I wouldn't exactly put much weight in any of their trash.

Mike Huckabee addressed some of the ethics accusations on Hannity & Colmes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBgvcQLwJYg&feature=related and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3Pl3bqJS1Y
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. Salon.com is not exactly a reliable news source, and there's no way to tell from these articles and movies whether or not Huckabee is a trustworthy candidate. He was governor of Arkansas, which isn't exactly the most Republican-friendly state, and he does have a point about the reliability of scandals that people wait 6 years to spring on you. On the other hand, one of the movies showed that he's in favor of using tax dollars to fund education for the children of illegal immigrants, and rewarding illegals for coming here will just result in more illegals.
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I will tell you that Mike is my second choice but I think a large portion of Americans especially the more liberal are sick of the "Christian" President we have and see Mike as far too Christian. How is he going to display to them that he is any different? If Christians can't even see the difference how can they? How can he show that he is not a warmonger, or is he?

Read this to understand where a large portion of the US is coming from. I do not necessarily think you will see this author as reliable but do not complain later that no one warned you. I have witnessed all of the ten things on the list, I have researched it and in varying degrees all of them are true. I can get the facts together. Many Americans believe this stuff deep down but keep it deep down inside and do not share it with anyone for fear of being branded ------- fill in the blank. http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html

I would appreciate anyone proving the facts in this article as false. Keeping in mind that the article is from April.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/21/15474/3677

You must see the lady speak.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc&eurl=http://strategicinfluence.blogspot.com/2007/10/ten-steps-of-fascism.html

Are you afraid of the truth? Is this to unbelievable to be true? Just do not say no one told you. You have a moral obligation to act.
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The first article is interesting, but I'm not sure all those points match up.

The gulag killed millions of Russians; Guantánamo Bay houses a few hundred, most of whom are obviously terrorists. A lot are foreign nationals, and our laws don't apply to them anyway. There is no program of working and starving the inmates to death. Are there people in there that shouldn't be? Probably. But are you going to set several hundred terrorists free along with them? From a cost-benefit standpoint, I'd say do it if it's one terrorist, maybe if it's five, but the ratios right now are leaning the other way. The people who died as a result of setting all the inmates free wouldn't be very happy.

This is somewhat related to the death penalty debate. Do you execute capital offenders, knowing that one or two out of every hundred are likely to be innocent? Yes, because you'll prevent several hundred innocent deaths for every couple innocent deaths. The ratios are worse here, but the base principle still applies. In my opinion (and this may or may not be shared by you) the ratio at which freedom trumps national defense has not been reached quite yet.

The mercenaries our military hires have a better track record than the military itself, otherwise they don't stay hired for long. Mercs is the wrong word, anyhow, since they're not acting as an independent terrorist-fighting force, just as bodyguards.

The press is hardly under control by the Bush regime. It's predominately liberal, and prints basically anything the terrorist PR guys tell them. What about the flushing Korans down the toilet article, that turned out to be a total lie? The article caused Muslim riots and some amount of death, but nothing happened to Newsweek over it. If anything, the advantage is on the other side.

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Over time in closing societies, real news is supplanted by fake news and false documents. Pinochet showed Chilean citizens falsified documents to back up his claim that terrorists had been about to attack the nation. The yellowcake charge, too, was based on forged papers.


Reporters who actually stay with our troops predominately come to have a high opinion of them, and the ones who don't are fed propaganda by terrorists. There are so many documented instances of this that it's almost come to be a farce - staged photos, Photoshopped photos, death counts inflated by a factor of ten and changed from men to women and children, etc. etc. Some reporters had corpses dug up and staged so as to make their photos "more realistic". Heck yes, I'd like to see a lot less lying, but who's doing the lying?

And the article missed a couple extremely important steps for taking over a country:

1) Take away all the guns. Liberals want to do this, not Bush.
2) Indoctrinate the children. Liberals control the school system.

Without these two steps, you can't take over a country. Given, I'm not saying that we aren't a lot less free than we used to be, and it's still possible for terrorists to occasionally sneak through, but the purpose of all this surveillance and so on is to make the population feel safe. If the population doesn't feel safe, commerce dies, the nation goes into a depression, and hundreds of thousands of people die from famine and disease. You have to strike a balance somewhere between loss of freedom and loss of safety / commerce. A bit more freedom than we have now would be good, but I wouldn't say that things are spiraling out of control quite yet either, except in the case of national finances. Both parties are to blame for that.

Sadly, we live in a world where nut jobs want to kill all of us.
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America Needs A Leader Like This!

Prime Minister John Howard - Australia

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. 'If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you', he said on National Television

'I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option', Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should 'clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off', he said.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.'

'However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia .' 'However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.' 'This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.'
'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society Learn the language!'
'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like 'A Fair Go', then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,

'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'
Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, American citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same truths.
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