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Miyu
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I checked out your site...your work is beautiful.

Oh...I forgot to post about the site you asked about in your introduction post.

The site I moderate is:

http://www.firestream.net/forum/

The 17 year old from Perth used the screen name "IronGuardian"
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:24 am    Post subject: THIS IS NOT ON!! Reply with quote

Miyu wrote:

The site I moderate is:

http://www.firestream.net/forum/

The 17 year old from Perth used the screen name "IronGuardian"




Ok, I had a look at your website...

Now what I am going to say, will be abrupt, to the point, and blatant, wether you take it or not is up to you. Read it all the way through.

You moderate a "christian" forum, this forum appears to be toatally evolved arround music,--the wrong music. the music your website promotes, is absoloutly shocking. I was shocked, to think that there are "christians" out there who will moderate forums like that, and will encourage young people to be involved in it. Rock music, origianally came from when the savages in the jungles used to play this sort of music, so they could call demons, before they would go to war against each other, they called up demons, so as to be able to use occult powers against there enemys. Now I know that since that type of music is so common in our society today, that it is looked past, but for a "christian" to actually be involved in it, and then to actuallly moderate a forum on it, is just horrendous!! Have you seen the people that play that type of music? Their life, their backgrounds?

First I need to ask. What do you classify as a christian? A true christian is a person who has trusted christ as their personal saviour. Did you ever do that, if not, then please don't call your self a christian, because all it does is pollutes the true christian image. If you are a christian, then I whole-heartedly encourage you to pull out of that type of background. It's your forum, you can change it. The bible says that if anyone leads one of his little ones astray, it is better for him to have a millstone cast around his neck, and cast into the sea.

I know that you will not take this very well, and so may other people on this forum, but I have put in this, because some day you are going to stand before God, and give an account. Are you ready!! If not, then I urge you to take the step of salvation, if you would like to know more, you can contact me or others, but I encourage you to do something, if you arent a christian, I urge you to become one, if not, then please erase any traces of "christian" from your website, or delete it all together.

We have enough trouble with young people in the world, we don't need any more contributors.

I want to help with our problems in this world, so this is why I had to say something. I go doorknocking often, and witness to people, so I could'nt pass this up.



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: THIS IS NOT ON!! Reply with quote

Most people aren't aware of that background so....
The type of people that play rock music are - well just that ordinary people - following the crowd. Their backgrounds are no more scandalous than well...cotton.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Responding to this last comment is going way outside of my purpose here, but I can hardly resist. Wink

I'm not sure where you got that definition of rock music but I can surmise that you probably don't listen to it that much or you would probably have a more realistic understanding of its nature. But before we get into contemporary culture, let's talk about rock history. For starters, rock and roll did not originate anywhere near the jungle. As I understand it, rock and roll stemmed from a great number musical influences, most notably blues, jazz and country western. While this musical tradition can be traced to the 1920s, it didn't really take off independantly until the 1950s, when the guitar replaced the saxaphone as the melodic lead. As an interesting note, the term "rock(n'roll)" was originally a term used by black gospel singers in the deep American south. This may work against your theory about rock music summoning demons.

Since then, of course, rock has split off into a multitude of different subgenres such as alternative rock, heavy metal, et cetera, each selecting certain pieces of rock music's diverse cultural and musical backdrop as the focus of their particular strain of this incredibly diverse genre.

I'll give you credit for your generalizations regarding those who play rock music - they are at least grounded, I am sure, in some violent subdivisions of the rock tradition, such as death and black metal. I personally find most groups of this extremely "shocking" strain to be more entertaining than frightening - I like to laugh at the silliness of their over-the-top antics. However, you must remember that those subdivisions of rock which you find offensive are only one tiny facet of this enormous genre. I am sure you are aware, for instance, of the large Christian Rock community?

Lastly, I must inquire as to what genre of music is completely clean of these corrupting influences which you are so afraid of. You refer to rock as the "wrong music," so if I may put musical morals in so small a box might I inquire as to the nature of the "right music"? Surely you won't go with the often ignorantly touted "classical music" label - this brief phase of reasonably predictable music was just as representative of the flaws of human character as popular music (we all know about Amadeus Mozart, don't we?) The following Romantic Period was no better (Franz Liszt, anybody?), and I'm sure you wouldn't endorse the rebellion of the Modern or Neo-Modern eras. I hate to enlighten you, but every phase of popular music through recorded history has had its flawed figures.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't beleive I'm going to say this but I actually agree with aome of what AHS said. Have you read the lyrics? They are "strange" but they are good, and are another way to lead a "strange" generation to Christ.

Here is one song:

I'm just a loc'd out brother coming straight from S.D.
Just another islander, beaner, wop, minority
Taught to love one another, all races
All types of colors, different skin, different faces
Can you answer my question when I ask you who is right?
Racist come in all forms of colors Black or White
So take what when I say your hatred Sucks
Coming from the H-I-T man swo What's up?
If you ain't down with my white brother,
We ain't down with you
And if you ain't down with my black brother,
Then we ain't down with you
Punk, Punk, Talking that trash
White trash, Black trash, you get a back to back slap
You think I'm soft, then you don't know me
Cause no I don't play that and we're definitely not your Homie
He'll take your pride for a long ride, try and hide
You hate my outside, how bout my inside
It's just me and my boys and we'll hit em up
So bring it on holmes, and we could get em up
Yeah come on y'all, get em up
One for peace, two for love, and three for my G-O-D
Yeah, come on y'all get em up
Get your hands up
One for peace, two for love, and three for my G-O-D
Now that's dread to you head for my final conclusion
Straight up Acts 10 Holmes, It's Peter's vision
So, get up Peter, Kill and Eat
Surely not Lord this meat is unclean
For my Lord makes nothing unclean
Creatures of the World all Beasts and Human Beings
Black or White who is right?
Peace and Love throught my Lord, Jesus Christ!
Then Peter began to speak,
I now realize how dog does not show favortism,
But accepts man from every nation who fear him
And do what is right
Black or White, Who is Right?

Pretty good message I think
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The sentiment is good, but I'm not so sure about the method used to put it across. The problem is that 99% of rap is disgusting crud, and if you promote rap as an art form, even in a good way, then you're not really helping anyone. Even the lyrics you quoted offer the impression of a thuggish, ghetto society, and the job of music is to uplift, not bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Rock 'n' roll is infinitely less chaotic and more cheerful than rap, death metal, etc.

Just my two cents, take it for what you will.

Incidently, given that we're straying rather far afield from the topic of homeschooling, would anyone mind if I split this off to a thread in "Just for Chat"?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:21 am    Post subject: Let's go to Just Chat Reply with quote

Yes, I think we should move this topic. Very interesting discussion so far. But I hope miyu gets a chance to defend herself. Remember, Love One Another.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, here's a separate thread for the topic. If you can think of a better title for the thread, let me know via PM.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ok, I had a look at your website...

Now what I am going to say, will be abrupt, to the point, and blatant, whether you take it or not is up to you. Read it all the way through.

You moderate a "Christian" forum, this forum appears to be totally evolved around music,--the wrong music. the music your website promotes, is absolutely shocking. I was shocked, to think that there are "Christians" out there who will moderate forums like that, and will encourage young people to be involved in it.


Yes, it is a music forum for Christian rock and metal. It is not my site. I moderate the theology and Christian discussion forums. I am sorry that this type of music shocks you.


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sic, originally came from when the savages in the jungles used to play this sort of music, so they could call demons, before they would go to war against each other, they called up demons, so as to be able to use occult powers against there enemies. Now I know that since that type of music is so common in our society today, that it is looked past, but for a "Christian" to actually be involved in it, and then to actually moderate a forum on it, is just horrendous!! Have you seen the people that play that type of music? Their life, their backgrounds?


This is not true. The music did not originally come from savages in the Jungle, nor was it used to call up demons. I do not believe that music, which is a creation of God, has any power over demons...to believe that a created thing has that type of power would be idolatry, in my book.

As for the people who play that music…some of them live terrible lives…some of them do not…I do not condone the lives of secular rock stars


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First I need to ask. What do you classify as a Christian?


A Christian is a person who by the Grace of God, has faith in Jesus Christ and His atoning death on the Cross for the forgiveness of sins.



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A true Christian is a person who has trusted Christ as their personal saviour. Did you ever do that, if not, then please don't call your self a Christian, because all it does is pollutes the true Christian image.


Yes, I most definitely trust Jesus as my personal savior


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If you are a Christian, then I whole-heartedly encourage you to pull out of that type of background. It's your forum, you can change it. The bible says that if anyone leads one of his little ones astray, it is better for him to have a millstone cast around his neck, and cast into the sea.


Again, it is not my forum, and I am sorry you see it as leading people astray. I do not see it that way. I see it as a ministry. My pastor is aware that I am involved in it, and he approves. I seek is counsel often when speaking to young people about theological and moral issues.

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I know that you will not take this very well, and so may other people on this forum, but I have put in this, because some day you are going to stand before God, and give an account. Are you ready!!


Am I ready to stand before God and give an account…yes and no.

No…I am not ready, because I know that I am a sinner. I have sinned against God in thought, word and deed…both in things I have done, and things I have left undone.

But Thanks Be to God, I have been redeemed…my sins, which are many, have been wiped clean because of what Christ did for me on the Cross. And because of that, I am, indeed, ready to stand before God and give an account.

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If not, then I urge you to take the step of salvation, if you would like to know more, you can contact me or others…


I appreciate your concern for my soul…I really do…while I am not offended, I am saddened that something as trivial as musical taste could cause you to doubt my salvation…but I don’t expect to be able to change your mind on an internet message board.

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…but I encourage you to do something, if you aren’t a Christian, I urge you to become one, if not, then please erase any traces of "Christian" from your website, or delete it all together.

We have enough trouble with young people in the world, we don't need any more contributors.



I want to help with our problems in this world, so this is why I had to say something. I go door knocking often, and witness to people, so I couldn’t pass this up.


Solid, the owner of the website, is, indeed, a committed Christian…we feel that our website is a blessing to the people who post there and helpful to the young people there…we do not believe that we are contributing to trouble.

I encourage you to continue to proclaim the Gospel and spread the Good News of Christ…just remember what it is...it is not “don’t do this or that”…that is the Law…the Law only brings bad news and condemnation. The Good News is that Christ died for us, that we might be set free…that we might have forgiveness before God and victory over our sin. Amen!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is not true. The music did not originally come from savages in the Jungle, nor was it used to call up demons. I do not believe that music, which is a creation of God, has any power over demons...to believe that a created thing has that type of power would be idolatry, in my book.


I won't comment further on your overall reasoning, but I thought I'd mention that you have a flaw in your argument here. If any use of God's creation by man is ok, and everything was created by God, then aren't you saying that everything is ok? Logically speaking, there has to be some bad uses in the world, otherwise there wouldn't be any sin, therefore it's theoretically possible for there to be bad music. Mankind isn't perfect.

No, music has no power over demons, but so-called jungle music was used to try to communicate with demons. Certain types of music have certain characteristics, and while classical music is peaceful and orders the mind, and rock 'n' roll is cheerful, other types of music are chaotic and serve to get your adrenalin pumping. Is it a good thing to promote the latter form? I'll leave that question open for future debate.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Theodore wrote:
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This is not true. The music did not originally come from savages in the Jungle, nor was it used to call up demons. I do not believe that music, which is a creation of God, has any power over demons...to believe that a created thing has that type of power would be idolatry, in my book.


I won't comment further on your overall reasoning, but I thought I'd mention that you have a flaw in your argument here. If any use of God's creation by man is ok, and everything was created by God, then aren't you saying that everything is ok? Logically speaking, there has to be some bad uses in the world, otherwise there wouldn't be any sin, therefore it's theoretically possible for there to be bad music. Mankind isn't perfect.

No, music has no power over demons, but so-called jungle music was used to try to communicate with demons. Certain types of music have certain characteristics, and while classical music is peaceful and orders the mind, and rock 'n' roll is cheerful, other types of music are chaotic and serve to get your adrenalin pumping. Is it a good thing to promote the latter form? I'll leave that question open for future debate.


I am not saying that any use of God's creation is OK. Just that music, is not morally good or evil any more that the color red is morally good or evil...and to take that further, I don't think musical styles are inherantly evil...and all musically styles are good in the sense that God's creation is good, and can be used for good.

People use candles in occultic rituals...but wax and flames do not have any real occultic power...and eating dinner by candlelight is not dallying in the occult....candles are neither morally good nor evil...they are part of God's creation, which is good (albeit under a curse)

Country music depresses me...so I don't listen to it...but not everyone is depressed by country music.

Some Metal does get my adrenaline going...I tend to listen to it when I am cleaning house or some other physical activity...I can't fall alseep to it. But my husband finds it soothing and does fall asleep to it. Music effects people differently...so some people might be well advised to avoid certain styles of music...but this is by no means universal.

Now...if I take a certain style of music and decide that I am going to use it to spread a message, then that would be like using candles...the candles aren't bad...but using them to preform occult rituals is...on the other hand, using them in a Christmas Eve candlelight service isn't.

So, using metal to spread a message of hate is bad...using it to proclaim Jesus or spread a positive message isn't....same music, different message.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:38 am    Post subject: Thank you! Reply with quote

Miyu,

Thank you for posting those links, for the work you do, and especially for bringing up this topic.

The responses have clearly defined for me that this "homeschool world forum" is out of touch with the Holy Spirit and full of people who think that Western religious culture is pleasing to God when in fact it has very little reflection of a loving and holy God in it at all.

If this brand of home schooling *is* true home schooling, then home schooling itself is doomed to become more and more culturally irrelevant and will die out on its own soon enough.

May God preserve home schooling freedom for future generations in spite of the haters who claim to own the movement!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:49 pm    Post subject: Re: THIS IS NOT ON!! Reply with quote

HOLY COW!! Jungle music?! Really?! I won't even get started on this...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just my two-cents worth: Many modern styles of music answers my questions as to why there are so many suicides and murders! It promotes confusion and hysteria!!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2014 12:56 am    Post subject: Christian Music or Non Christian Music Reply with quote

This is now an age old question. The young generation are over with it and they have better things to do like myself. There is evil in everything not just in music. we need to rightly just not involve in anti christian songs. All the current Christian Worship Bands or Christian Bands use all kinds of genres of music and they are as impacting as just as chores in the church like in the olden days. Yes I agree there are songs which are intentional with their message or arts but not all. Generalizing all the kinds of genres as evil is illogical.
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