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seekingmyLord
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 Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:52 pm Post subject: What is happening to parental rights? |
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In another thread I was asked this:
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| I was just wondering "seeking my Lord" the story behind your signature. I was wondering why the judge said what she said. was she referring to a certain case? Just curious. |
This is a subject very dear to my heart.
An excerpt from RECLAIMING PARENTAL RIGHTS
"Reference a court decision issued last year by Texas Judge Melinda Harmon. Parents had filed suit against a local school district for a violation of parental and privacy rights when, without their knowledge or consent, their son was interrogated and physically examined by a Child Protective Services worker investigating unsubstianted abuse. The child was forced to strip for the female social worker who then instructed the boy to lie to his parents about the incident. Judge Harmon ruled against the parents with the admonishment that, "parents give up their rights when they drop off their children at a public school."
--or step on a school bus or on school property of any kind, I might add. In this case, the parents were never told by the school or CPS that there was any investigation and, if I remember the case correctly, the boy was repeatedly pulled out of class for questioning by CPS. All the while, the boy was told to not tell his parents about any of it. Since when does ANYONE have the right to tell a child to lie or keep secrets from his parents? (Place yourself in the place of these parents and tell me don't see anything wrong with what was done with their child.)
Once a child is on school property, acknowledging parental rights is merely a courtesy, the school does not have to do that at all. Now, in some ways such laws are necessary because the child is placed in the care of the school. However, the difference in dropping your child off at the babysitters or private day care is that they have no rights to withhold your child from you... the school is a state agent that does have that right.
I know of several homeschoolers, who had no plans of ever homeschooling, being refused to have their child released to them until the end of the school day. One mother was simply going to have lunch with her son, which the school encouraged generally, but after being refused, because the principle felt that this was not helping her son adjust to the school environment, she asked that her son be released to her. The male principle placed his arm across the door of his office blocking the exit from the room saying, "He MAY be your child, but this is MY school."
Now, the real question is who has the right to determine what is best for the child, the school or the parent? As long as the child is in public school, it is the school. Just ask any parent who has fought for the best education opportunities within the public school system when the school refuses to recognize a doctor's diagnosis of some learning disability. It happens.
My point is that no one believes that can happen until it happens to them nor do parents realize that the school is within its rights to do such things until they go to court and find out that the school rights over the child supercede the parent's rights while the child is on school property. When they find out, they are in shock; it is just unbelievable... until it happened to them.
So, I place that quote in my signature just so people will ask me the question, so they are at least aware of what has happened to others can also happen to them and so they are aware of the precious rights they have unknowingly been giving up the moment their children walk onto public school property. |
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Theodore
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That's more than a little terrifying. So for 8 hours out of the day, the school has custody over your child, and can basically do anything they want while barring you from seeing him?
One of the first things you do when taking over a country (besides registering and then confiscating all weapons...) is separate children from their parents. After all, parents aren't trained professionals.
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| Theodore wrote: |
That's more than a little terrifying. So for 8 hours out of the day, the school has custody over your child, and can basically do anything they want while barring you from seeing him?
One of the first things you do when taking over a country (besides registering and then confiscating all weapons...) is separate children from their parents. After all, parents aren't trained professionals. |
yep, thats what they set up. 
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seekingmyLord
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Yep! Even if I had no other reason to homeschool--and I have plenty of them!  --I would NEVER knowingly give up my parental rights over my child for even one minute of any given day.
It is too much like being a divorced parent being allowed visitation and financial responsibility, but not really having full custody. 
People don't realize how much they give up in exchange for the privilege of going to public school--and I used that term tongue in cheek. With compulsory laws in place requiring children be enrolled or asking approval from the government to be allowed an exemption, as we have in most of the states for homeschooling, we basically are non-custodial parents.
As I said, I understand the need for it on some levels, but now that the courts are upholding the state's interest over the parental rights in just of few outrageous cases peppered across the US, I think we are seeing just the tip of the iceberg.
Although this forum is called "homeschool vs. public school," beneath its short and sweet title is "upholding the right to exercise educational choice vs. daily surrendering parental right to government schools." I mean, we can debate each of the surface issues about homeschooling vs. public schooling and never really touch this one fundamental difference that is at the heart of all those little issues.
I know that some people feel that public school is a choice, but that just is not technically true according to how the laws are written. Public school is required by compulsory law. The only choices we have are exceptions to that law that are provided by law--laws can and do change. Homeschooling may be considered a "right" on the national level, but on the state level it is not just a modified right, it is a "privilege," even in states with deceivingly little regulation. If you have to report to the state at all regarding homeschooling, then your "parental right" of choice is not a right, it is a privilege that the state can take from you and guess where the child will go then?
Real "rights" have been and continue to be lost through government schools and people don't even realize it. BUT, the worse part is, most don't even care because they are getting a service provided from the government--the government that educated them to think that way.
As I watch different "experiments" with homeschoolers taking advantage of the privilege to use public school facilities all over our country, I cringe. I really do think we should have access to these facilities, but not with the laws as currently written. I understand short term benefits, but I don't think these parents are looking at the long term risks it causes for homeschooling and they probably do not even notice how they also are surrendering their parental rights to the same degree as any other parent of a fully enrolled public school student.
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